Just a thought. All the current pages are uploaded on Comicfury now, all you have to do is click Edit Pages and then check the box by your page and click edit, then you could do that. You could even title your own page...if ya wanted to. I'd be cool with that.
I realize I won't hear from you cats for awhile since moving and new stuff and what not, and I am not one to nag about stuff so I wont. In a few weeks I'm gonna be in the Appalachians for a month on a movie, so I'm gonna be doing a lot of comic related stuff in the meantime, stocking up on CoqRoq and generally being stationary, but when I am up there, I'm takin' my paper with me in anticipation of doing pages, so I hope we get back in the groove by then.
Sweetsington
EDIT: I almost forgot to mention, totally got the edited 11:09 version of Condensed in the mail today, should be at the contest by tomorrow at noon. If this is like any of my other film contest experiences, we can expect fuck all. Fingers crossed for fuck all!!
EDIT AGAIN: So I was wrong on how to put up Author Notes on already stored comic pages. I forgot that it's a bit different than when uploading new strips. First you go to Edit/Delet Comic Pages...
Then you go down to the strip that is yours and click "Add Author Note" which is immediately to the right of your page.
Then this little box shows up and you can type in your shit. Author Notes are different than comment because it's tied directly to the page and you can't reply to it.
I'm not complaining or anything, I just realized that I'm the one who has taken point on this and never asked anyone if they would like to do them. I think it would reenforce the idea that each of us is working independently from the others, and I think that's the appeal of the comic besides the fact that it's fuckin' awesome. And maybe when we post our pages, we can put up a title for the page, so I don't have to make them up. I've just been putting down whatever comes to mind when titling them. Whatcha think?
We're not popular anymore. But people are reading this, which is pretty cool.
Also, do we want to do a character page for the comic? I've noticed some other pages do that.
First of all, awesome job editing so quickly. I saw your fb posts about editing, and assumed you were working on the Condensed version(ha ha ha, puns), so well done, sir.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, CoqRoq is looking sweet, so keep it up.
Thirds, you must have noticed I have been making blog posts and comments all over comicfury, so I assume this message was mostly meant for Ryan.
Lastly, fffffuuuuuuuccccckkkkkkk....!!!!!!
I'm not singling anyone out, or complaining at all. Just some thoughts I was having. Your comments do not go unnoticed. I am bad at replying to commenters anyway. They're not real people, they're just internet robots.
ReplyDeleteI know, I'm just busting your balls. You have really done so much to keep this thing afloat, and keep up interacting with anyone who actually reads it, so your input and effort is truly invaluable.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, thanks for the in-depth breakdown on author notes, I actually tried to do it(not very hard, mind you) last night, and couldn't figure it out, so just settled on spamming each page with multiple comments, as you likely saw.
Also, I think a character page would be great. Between the three of us, there have been some pretty neat sketches of all existing characters.
Last thing, and I address this because we are still developing somewhat of a readership, so that means if we manage to keep putting pages out, then the readership will grow, and some freaking troll will call us on this, but I had halfway intended Robert's speech in the latest page of the fury to sort of introduce a larger antagonist. I say halfway, because everything is always up to the next person, in terms of developing plot, so if that ends up being something we don't want to do, I'm cool with it. But, I do want us to be on the same page about it, and it not be something we just forgot about.
or, whatever.
Oh, another thing I wanted to mention, is that I think alot of our popularity from last week is due my brother(callsign: Jaekin) going through and commenting and rating so many pages. Wotta guy...
ReplyDeleteNo longer popular, Damn. I appreciate you getting the stuff sent to the film contest Flynn. Jamie, there is always the potential for the Outcast to break out. One of my friends commented on chapter two and said, "extremely interesting, but a little chaotic." I am happy with the way things are. This is my first real day in Burbank, its awesome and yet terrifying. Jamie, I hope your move went well too. I also wanted to end chapter two with the way I put the pages up on the blog. I know I told you (Flynn) we could split it up, but I just feel that the way I ended it was a good ending for chapter two.
ReplyDeleteOh, and I am cool with your comments on the pages Flynn. I'll try to get on there and post some comments of my own though.
ReplyDeleteGoddamnit, Ryan. Why? Why is a prolonged chase scene a good way to end chapter 2? I want an explanation other than "I think it's good". I gave you the reasons why I think differently, now I want you to convince me why. I'm going to kill both of them in my next goddamn page and I'll never introduce another character or situation ever again.
ReplyDeleteug. That was my first reaction. Now for a more even-headed response.
I'm still in the split them up camp, for two reasons.
1. The chapter starts with Mark, and ends with Mark. That's our main character, and I would like to keep more focus on him, although I like what is going on with everyone else. (Personally, I'd like to reorganize some more of the pages so that we stay on a storyline for at least 2 consecutive pages, but I'm not going to press that, I don't think it's that big of a deal)
2. I think the chase scene is too long and drawn out to end on. There's a lull in the middle of it when Dom insults Chuck Yeager. It feels a bit unwieldy. I think it works better as rising action for the next chapter. Like I have said, I think of these chapters more along the lines of separate issues, each one being self contained with a beginning (rising action) middle (conflict) and end (cliff-hanger, tune in next time). This second chapter has been a bit all over the place in these respects, but I think we can hold it together.
Glad you made it out to Cali. Are you going to be living in Burbank? And did you bring your scanner? Take pictures, dammit!
Maybe I should make a fake account and rate all of our pages to put us back on top? HA! I'm sure there are people that do that.
As far as a character page, I was thinking maybe I take a headshot of each character from our own styles and put them together? Like three versions of each character, then a character description. Whatcha think? Also, I should have a chapter 3 cover done by tonight. I'm working on it and a piece for the Jeremy Art blog. And then if i'm still awake, coloring more CoqRoq.
I like the idea for the character pages, Flynn. That is a good way to mix everything together.
ReplyDeleteFor the end of chap 2, why did you decide to change it after we all agreed to split them? I pretty much agree with Flynn's thoughts, ending on a huge chase/fight sequence is weird, only to open Chap 3 with Mark and Janice. First, you did this thing cuz fuck us, then you agree with splitting them, and now you go back. This is pretty goddamn frustrating. It's hard to maintain a collective work when you have one member who just does whatever. I think it is NOT a good ending to chapter 2 for this big fight, for Flynn's reasons that we basically ignore Mark, our main character, and go into some extraneous fight bullshit, and also because, as we discussed earlier, if we close with your pages as they are on the blog, then chapter 2 is like 4 pages long, as we all decided we want each chapter to be roughly the same length. So, I too am curious why you are going back on your word(again)?
Also, I'm not sure if you understand what I meant about the Robert's speech. He is alluding the whole time to ANOTHER character who I intended to maybe be a larger antagonist(if we want). So, that means that Robert is whatever, but there is ANOTHER mastermind who has not been named yet, only mentioned by Robert. Get it now?
Anyway, I am also glad you made it out to CA safely, and I hope you guys are having a blast. Make the most of it, my man.
Lastly, we could all make fake accounts and rate the SHIT out of our comic just to keep boosting our ratings and maybe draw in more readership. I mean, there are people that do that, but I think we all agree our work should speak for itself.
I meant that chap 2 will be 40 pages, not 4.
ReplyDeleteI too like your idea for the character pages Flynn.
ReplyDeleteAlright, lets get down to it. The way I ended chapter 2 was the way I thought best to get people excited for chapter 3. The last page I drew works well in terms of excitement and anticipation. It was written and drawn to be the final page in the chapter and I it doesn't feel right being in the beginning of chapter 3. I can be a pussy and I like to please people, so I apologize on being a flip-flopper. After reading and re-reading it, I realized how much I like the ending.
Jamie, I never do anything to piss you guys off. I do what feels right-to me. I realized that it would probably upset you both, but that wasn't my intention. My intention was to make this story the best it could be. I went overboard, I'll be the first to admit that, but it wasn't to spite you. I love this story, I do, and I really want to see it fly high. I hope you'll understand that I feel very strongly in keeping my pages the way I intended. As far as the pages for each chapter go, does it really matter? The page count should only be limited by the point we want to get across in that chapter. I'm happy with this chapter, with all of it. I hope you understand how sincere I am about this.
I am happy you are so into this project, and I do think your work has come a long way since we started this crazy thing. Your pacing, layouts, and art in general, show much improvement and maturity while maintaining the 'toonishness that I like in your work.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I think you misunderstand me, dude, and I'm going to reiterate something Flynn and I both pointed out during the last conversation we all had, which is that just because you felt the story would benefit from your crazy notion, doesn't mean it doesn't detract from the overall project. In other words, I personally was tempted MULTIPLE times in chapter one to say "fuck it" and just write a bunch of pages, because I had cool ideas and felt(very strongly) that they would a) be awesome turns for the comic to take, and b) not go the way I saw them if I only did one page.
However, I did not do that because it was not the project we sought out to participate in. Does that mean that the project shouldn't change? No, the project IS change exemplified, because every page is random. But, I digress...
I don't want to go around finger pointing, because that strains relationships, and we have said multiple times why we were frustrated by your actions. However, you have decided that your ending is better than Flynn's and did what you wanted anyway. Regardless of how you put it, that is what happened. I'm not saying you did this for any other reason than to make this story as good as possible, but I AM saying you failed. I say this, because I like Flynn's cliffhanger better, because it serves as a cliffhanger. Point of fact, from where Flynn's pages end ANYTHING could happen. Ed and Dom could be on the moon, in the white house, anywhere in space and time. THIS is a great cliffhanger, because the audience (and the writers, for a brief moment) had no idea where things were going. Your ending is not a great cliffhanger, because it is the middle of a chase/fight scene. There are only so many logical outcomes to your scene(I stress the word "logical" here), and therefore it acts more like a regular page in our sequence than a cliffhanger. Therefore, I understand the way you feel about your pages, but coming from a narrative point of view, it is not a better way to end the chapter, but a very good way to lead into the next page. Now, please believe me when I say this is not said to spite you, but I am trying to put as plainly as possible why you still have a lot to learn about writing. But, that's why we're doing this, aside from that fact that it's just supposed to be fun, is also to learn(and teach each other) about making comics and telling fun stories.
I had to fight the urge to go off on a rant about how your own words and actions contradict each other, because in the end, the important thing is to decide AS A GROUP where the comic goes from here. Ultimately, Flynn or I could just post the pages on Comicfury anyway we wanted(and then you could re-post them however you wanted) but that's childish, and just because we like childish things doesn't mean that's how we have to behave. So, please take that into consideration, and maybe re-read some of your own comments on the matter to try and understand things from someone else's perspective, which is something I think you have a hard time with, to be honest. I'm not trying to make this a "here's the problems Ryan has" party, but you are kind of smashing us in the face with them at the moment.
Finally, I think you're right about the chapter pages lengths, it doesn't really matter. But, we are intending this for print(some day), and some consistency helps keep things simple. But, ultimately, the story is of tantamount importance, and I feel I've made myself clear on that issue(no pun intended).
no doubt your feeling sincere. But you still haven't given a reason as to why. Yes you wrote it that way, but we don't think it works. Have you read the pages the way we think they should be set up? Why does your ending work well in terms of excitement and anticipation? You leave it in the middle of a chase scene. Pretty easy to figure out what's going to happen next - they continue the chase. By our arrangement, the reader is left with two questions, 1. where will this kiss lead? 2. Where have Ed and Dom gone?
ReplyDeleteI think those are bigger "what-if"s than, "Will Dom catch Ed?" That question has one of two answers, yes or no.
By ending the chapter the way we would like, the reader can't foresee the outcome, endless possibilities exist. By ending the chapter the way you would like, the reader can predict the outcome. Sure, the kiss question is still there but the other question isn't as big. The ending to chapter one was the same, we had no idea where ed and mark were going, or what was happening to mark. The possibilities were endless.
I think you're taking this too personally. You need to address the points we have made and create counterpoints. I'm looking at this from a literary standpoint. And the number of pages does matter in terms of printed issues.
Honestly, for a webcomic, I'm not sure who's idea it was to make chapters in the first place, especially since we didn't start out with an overall plot or storyline to begin with.
This is why I wanted to get back to doing one page at a time, I was afraid this kind of thing was going to happen. That's also why I asked that you not touch the end of my pages, I was trying to wrangle this paged-beast back under control, but I didn't want to just come out and say, "we need to do more pages about Mark" I want this to be fun again, and I think it can be, but we apparently have to address this.
I'm available tomorrow night or wednesday night if we want to threeway this. If not then, then the weekend. When we do, I'll have an infograph ready.
Remember, Ryan, we live 4 hours in the future now. I'm posting this at midnight.
To note: Jamie and I did not collaborate in our replies. I posted mine, and then saw Jamie had posted his. Notice how we both say the EXACT same thing, independently of each other.
ReplyDeleteI think it's scary.
I'm free on saturday if you guys want to google chat.
ReplyDeleteI'm free, but every day we put this off is another day I don't do a comic.
ReplyDeleteI'd just like to point out that I started this post with "Hey, quick question..." and it turned into the LONGEST POST EEEEVVVEEERRRR!!!
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteBAH! I still wish you guys saw it my way, but whatever I'll drop it... Erg...
ReplyDeleteWhen you leave comments like this, it makes me aggravated. How are you the one who gets to drop it? We are the ones who drop it, fucknugget. We end on a good note, don't ruin it by providing us with insurmountable evidence of what a turd you are.
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